tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8924256547215087347.post10945890768870691..comments2024-03-24T22:34:59.510-04:00Comments on Old School Speech: Where Graduate Programs are LackingMaryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11533317405680450964noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8924256547215087347.post-27247211134710770982014-03-16T20:07:09.173-04:002014-03-16T20:07:09.173-04:00What is PROMT training? I'm not familiar with...What is PROMT training? I'm not familiar with that. Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11533317405680450964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8924256547215087347.post-80334977724521029532014-03-16T18:45:21.571-04:002014-03-16T18:45:21.571-04:00Mary, I couldn't agree more. As a recent grad...Mary, I couldn't agree more. As a recent grad I feel my program did not prepare me for this job. I am in favor of separating grad programs into adult medical and pediatric avenue of studies. My program had too much surface level information, without enough depth. I work in a school now and desperately wish to gain clinical skills in articulation therapy (old school style). Would you recommend PROMT training? It is coming to my area in the coming months. Best, Newbie SLP Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15160496768356787729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8924256547215087347.post-72232831090945819322013-11-23T23:43:17.124-05:002013-11-23T23:43:17.124-05:00I have supervised grad students in the school sett...I have supervised grad students in the school setting and also found that their ability to manage groups of students of different ability levels was lacking. The majority of my students are not the simple artic child and I don't have the luxury of making homogeneous groups. I think what we are seeing are students who are not getting the chance to put in the clinical hours. I am old school and we put many clinical hours in undergraduate training as well as the graduate level. We sure worked for those 2 credits. I don't think students get actual hours at the undergraduate level any longer. There is a lot to say for experience and applying that knowledge. I saw a few people fail because they couldn't apply what they learned. It is sad when they don't find that out until graduate school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8924256547215087347.post-47972317347430207942013-11-13T06:12:31.268-05:002013-11-13T06:12:31.268-05:00Please don't be disheartened, especially about...Please don't be disheartened, especially about the public schools! To me, it's the best job you could ever have.<br />I would have to disagree with you on one point, however. When it comes to the basics of therapy (i.e., HOW to teach a student to make a sound), I do think this should have been taught before a school placement through the university clinical setting, or in an artic class. Your comment about how it's "impossible to fit it all into two years of schooling" leads me to wonder what bachelor level degree SLP grad students are getting. Keeping in mind that I am "old school", my BS was in "Communicative Disorders", and it was at a time when graduates could work in a school with their BS. Perhaps the grad schools need to re-evaluate their prerequisites before allowing students to take certain graduate classes? Theory is definitely important, but so is being able to put that theory into practice. School practicum supervisors have a lot of pressure put on them to perform (with the teacher evaluations that we have to go through, part of which includes how the school does with their state tests), so I would expect any grad student that I supervise to have knowledge of how to make the sounds so they can teach the students, as well as to be able to discriminate between a correct/incorrect sound. I realize that it's my responsibility to teach my grad student my technique for achieving correct production of a sound. The nearby university that I have had experience with has a public school class, however, I have heard that much of what they are taught either 1) isn't teaching correct information, or, 2) is teaching outdated information.<br />It may be that I'm just a little frustrated with my supervisory experience in the past few years. It may just be that I'm "old school" and have my own ways of doing things. It may also be that the 1st 2 grad students I supervised set the bar really high, and they've set me up for disappointment! OR, it may just be that I'm expecting too much. I'm to the point where I'm done with supervising because my kids don't seem to make the progress they should be making when I have a grad student.<br />Thanks again for your comment and your honesty!Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11533317405680450964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8924256547215087347.post-70883912223568452722013-11-12T23:35:36.988-05:002013-11-12T23:35:36.988-05:00As a current graduate student, I'm feeling a l...As a current graduate student, I'm feeling a little disheartened after reading this. I do believe you have some very valid points in here. There are certainly areas that programs are lacking. But with the wealth of information out there now, it is impossible to fit it all into two years of schooling. I know my school has focused a lot on the theory in the classroom and then techniques in the clinical setting. In that sense, my supervisors ARE responsible for teaching us techniques and everything we need to know about the school setting. The professors teach us the WHY; supervisors teach us the HOW. We cannot possibly have a class just for the school setting just like we can't have a class just for the nursing home setting. There are specifics about each setting that have to be learned on the job itself, especially state guidelines, since every state is different. I know for myself, I'm going to have a lot to learn in my school placement next semester! Home Sweet Speech Roomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10282465327921881647noreply@blogger.com